ITT: Your Political Profile

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Falsey, 9 Aug 2016.

  1. Falsey John, the Goldfish: Never Forgotten

    In this thread we write a summary of our political leanings, thoughts and history. Then.

    - If someone's summary generally compliment your beliefs, you vote them Useful
    - If someone's summary generally contrasts your beliefs, you vote them Optimistic

    The aim isn't to appease the most/insult the less people as possible, so be completely honest about your beliefs. If you fear fallout for your opinion, then you're likely about to say something people will find worth reading.

    It'd also be cool to hear the opinions and experiences of non-British members

    copy paste the following and get writing

    Leaning:

    Passionate Beliefs:

    Party you're likely to vote for:

    National Parties you're least likely to vote for:

    Track Record of Your Vote So Far:

    The NLSpeed: Your Most Controversial Political Opinions/Stances:


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  2. Falsey John, the Goldfish: Never Forgotten

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    Leaning:


    Pretty far to the Left and I guess a bit of a 'classical' liberal. I believe that governmental systems are, begrudgingly, a necessity in a non-ideal world, but should always act as simply a tool for (and perhaps an extension) of the people. Society works best when the majority of people allows a minority of people, who dedicate their lives to understanding the political systems, do the actual maths, whilst the majority has full power over who is making the decisions, but not necessarily the decisions themselves. Politicians who betray their promises to their voters, however, and lie about what ideas they plan to represent in government should be prosecuted.

    Passionate Beliefs:

    - There should be more aid and governmental institutions setup to aid those rendered homeless and try to reintegrate them back into society. I don't believe that this will ever be a reality, as most within society don't care about those existing outside it.

    - Socially-focused liberalism has become a cancer that's stopping us from making the world a better place. The witch hunts levelled at anyone who dares to openly disagree with mainstream Left narrative on anything feminist, racial or LGBT are disgusting and an open assault on the very fabric of liberal belief. Images like a scientist being publicly lynched due to wearing the wrong shirt to work is close to some 21st century mockery of The Terror. It's also disgusting how the current new wave of liberals seems to write off the entire working class as racist idiots and look patronisingly down on them.

    - We should be more sceptical about our relationship with the US and look at strengthening our relationship with more pacifistic nations like China. Between China, America and Russia, the first is definitely the lesser evil despite its undemocratic system.

    - Immigration is not a true issue in the UK, despite what the Right-Wing media says. It's an easy boogeyman that sells papers and serves as the perfect scapegoat for everything.

    - As it stands, the incoming generation of the England's voters, and likely the ones after, are not educated enough to make an informed vote. This is due to the lack of political education in schools, the monopoly of Right Wing news (The Sun, Daily Mail), a media that requires the individual to have analytical prowess to be able to shift the truth from the bullshit (Left and Right) and the influence of social media sites on politicians, who now seem to aim to get votes in 120 characters or less and therefore aim for a person's emotions, not their rationality. And, in what seems to be an increasingly post-truth era of politics, I can't blame any young person for being apathetic about politics.

    - The Media is fucking crazy, to a MGS2 level now. Between the news and social media, we live in a society of constant information overload. Yet, despite this, we can still carefully choose the sources information available to us and ignore everything we don't want to hear. The internet isn't making society a more progressive, united entity. It's teaching both politicians and the media new, exciting and efficient ways to manipulate information enmasse.

    National Parties you're likely to vote for:

    Labour, if they get their shit together. A Corbyn lead government with a strong cabinet is a dream I know will never come true. I'd love to one day be able to vote Liberal Democrats, if the public ever stops blaming them for things beyond their control. If the above aren't viable, I have no problem voting Tory if only for their general stability and 'efficiency'

    National Parties you're least likely to vote for:

    Greens and UKIP. For me they're essentially what happens when the Left and Right shake it all about and do the hokey pokey.

    Track Record So Far:

    - EU Election: Lib Dem, mostly as a sign of support in the hope that a year later they might be electable.

    - 2015 General Election: Conservative, begrudgingly. My prefered party (Lib Dem) were a waste of a vote and Labour was too much of a mess for me to feel safe voting for them. I also did not want to see Ed Milliband representing Britain. Tories were the most competent evil and, as we were only just leaving our recession years, I wanted a party that I felt was a safe guess to see our period of recovery through to completion.

    - EU Reffurendum: Fucked up my vote. Arrived at the poling station only to discover that I had forgotten I had randomly gone home for a week during the General Election and completely forgot I was registered in the wrong region. Would have voted Remain and tried to buy the votes of several undecided mates on the day. Fucking up my own vote only to spend the entire night checking my phone in the clubs and seeing that #YOLO was going to win was painful.

    The Speed Catagory: Your Most Controversial Political Opinions/Stances:

    - I don't think new money should face higher taxes. I think this is from having a lot of pride for my dad who, through his own efforts, went from earning £8k a year to £70k over the course of seven years in his early thirties due to very smart but risky business decisions. I think Old Money should be taxed until either its current generation are earning their own money or their ancestrally acquired money pool runs out, and that perhaps Second Generation New Money/Middle Class (like myself) should be taxed a little higher if they're earning over £40k a year (and enjoyed Private School and a University Education). But I don't believe working class people like my dad, who didn't have a Middle Class family to fall back, an education past GCSEs etc, should be penalised simply because they've found success, simply to take the ease off people of similar upbringing/opportunities who haven't.

    - I think the majority of so-called Social/Neo Liberals are lazy assholes who don't have it in them to actually put their effort where their mouths are. I think they deliberately choose subjects like raising awareness for trans/'gender fluid' people and feminism because they're easy to feel like you're making a "difference" by sharing tweets and signing petitions. Other more difficult social issues, like marginalised lower classes and growing homelessnism, are ignored because they're far to complex to feel like you're doing anything to help solve it, opposed to 'raising awareness' by sharing a Kotaku article about female gamers. I also feel like a lot of social liberalism right now is tied to its primarily young demographic's natural identity existentialism, which is only fueled by the digital age's emphasis on defining and broadcasting every aspect of your personality, as opposed to actual pure passion for the subject.

    - I believe, although not to the degree our Right Wing papers suggest, that we may be too liberal with our benefits system. While there's plenty of situations I can imagine where severe physical and mental problems can easily prevent a working life, I do think we need to find a humane way to tighten benefits. Giving money to 18-20 year old new mothers who get pregnant (accidentally and not) and then never contribute to the economy for the rest of their workless lives is bullshit. The state should perhaps do what France does and replace benefits for mothers with state paid-for nannies and maids so that mothers can still work. Or, better yet, put that money towards better general education and we might be able to avoid generations of young mothers leaving the economy at a young age and needing state funding for the rest of their lives.

    - I find the West's reaction to terror attacks on Western soil hugely hypocritical and fucking self-pitying. Yes, they are tragedies on an individual, person-by-person killed and affected level. But the response from us as a society, and our media, of self-indulgent pity whilst ignoring the historical context of our own actions and the similar attacks in non-Western country makes me actually quite angry. We played a very active role in the creation of ISIS and anti-West ideology and, until 9/11, simply thought for years that nuclear deterrence would exempt us from any major resulting fallout. Our plight is still far from the level of the sheer amount of suffering that human beings in Middle Eastern countries have suffered, and are still suffering.

    Now get goin' with your own
     
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  3. Subv You ain't even lord of your yard

    cba really to summarize all my points, , also some will be kinda irrelevant since I doubt anybody here really knows the political climate in israel (beyond the Palestinian conflict) and the parties

    tl;dw:
    libertarian socialist/anarcho-communist,


    basically i'm:

    • Anti-authoritan
    • Anti-capitalism (pro communism)
    • Pro individual freedom
    I don't really feel like summarizing more so if you're interested the internet has plenty of resources

    please approach it with an open mind, don't fall into the bait of simple anti communist arguments (against human nature, didn't work before, works only on paper etc etc), most of them aren't actually relevant anti communist arguments and retreating to those arguments just shows a lack of will to actually learn
     
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  4. I took this quiz to help shape my response: https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

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    Leaning: Whilst the above states I'm very, very left leaning and a libertarian I feel very centralist about many issues and I'm very open to discussion and debate.

    Passionate Beliefs: (tl;dr in bold)

    • The housing market needs serious reform and rental prices need control. We need to invest in more social housing, cancel "right to buy" and investment in communities again. My generation is fucked when it comes to buying a house (or living in social housing which you can treat as your own house) - and that fucks me right off. A place to live is as essential as water, and the price of water is seriously regulated. Why not housing?

    • Those with life-limiting disabilities should be looked after and provided for by the state to live independent and meaningful lives. My mother was okay financially before she died, but only because my grandmother owned the house she lived in and she did not have to pay rent. See above.

    • The NHS needs investment - no more artificially under funding it - proper investment for universal health. The support my mother received in the years before she died was good, but the strain on the system was obvious and the staff were struggling to cope.

    • No fraking.

    • A second EU referendum once the terms of Brexit are clear. We should negotiate with the EU and if the result of those negotiations are negative (or seriously out of our favour) we should have a second referendum to decide if we accept those terms and leave, or reject them and stay in the EU.

    Party you're likely to vote for & national parties you're least likely to vote for:

    Honestly, they're all shit in one way or another.
    • Labour is fighting itself and I can only imagine the shitstorm which would go down if Corbyn was PM.

    • Conservatives - see here.

    • Lib dems fucked up by creating a coalition with the conservatives - see here - "moderating influence" my backside. Also: did not block uni fee increases.

    • Greens: not likely to be electable but I agree with many of their stances (although I disagree with many too).

    • UKIP: whilst previously relevant, I foresee their party drifting into obscurity without Farage (would not have voted anyway).

    The NLSpeed: Your Most Controversial Political Opinions/Stances:

    • Re-nationalise gas, electric, phone lines, trains, etc. It's a joke that essential services, which are heavily subsidised by the government anyway, are in private hands only looking to make a profit.

    • Second EU ref once the terms of Brexit is clear.

    • SERIOUS regulation of the housing market - it's out of control.

    • Reduce working week to 4 days and reduce working hours to 6 per day - no one is ever productive for a full 8 hours in a working day so if it were reduced I think productivity would increase. Trials run of this kind of thing have found it improves mental health and productivity.
     
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  5. Mole45 Dance Little Liar

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    Leaning:
    Well apparently I'm pretty far left according to this chart, and while I am probably left wing in thought, I am much more centre in practice.

    Passionate Beliefs:
    Leave the NHS alone, stop slamming stupid targets down that force the overworked staff to rush patients through.
    Leave the BBC alone, I've watched american TV and £145.50 a year is more than reasonable to avoid that over here.
    Our security forces are obviously doing a pretty stellar job given the lack of terrorist attacks in Britain compared to other parts of the world, so why do they suddenly need more power and information about my life?
    The freedom of the press is a wonderful thing, but printing outright lies should be punishable. And no, a half-arsed paragraph in the corner of an inside page on the newspaper does not count as an apology for printing a massive, misleading headline.
    Immigration is an issue of housing more than anything else, our tiny island has too few homes and at too high cost to take on the current numbers indefinitely. We need more housing and to restore the housing we do have that has fallen into disrepair.
    If London gets any more funding it'll become it's own city state, there's a whole country out there that is crying out for investment and infrastructure. One high speed rail link isn't going to suddenly make everything better.
    The lifting of the ban on new grammar schools will be a good thing, and I am truly baffled that they were banned in the first place.

    Party you're likely to vote for:
    The Lib Dems.
    UKIP and the Tories have brief flashes of policies I agree with but I won't eat a rotten apple because it might still be good on the inside
    Labour don't know what they are, and until they sort out what kind of party they want to be I don't see myself voting for them.
    The Greens are so naive and ideological it's scary. But they do make some great political videos.
    The Lib Dems made a poor move siding with the conservatives, but as the minority in the coalition there really is very little they could have done to stop the tuition fee rises. And I'm never going to finish paying back those fees so really it matters not to me. Since the tories took over as the majority party last year we've seen the moderating effect they had while in the coalition.

    National Parties you're least likely to vote for:
    UKIP, BNP, Conservatives

    Track Record of Your Vote So Far:
    2015 General Election : Lib Dems
    2016 Local Elections : Labour
    EU Ref : Remain

    The NLSpeed: Your Most Controversial Political Opinions/Stances:
    Not sure if it counts as political, but the current culture makes it impossible to criticize the far left without being branded racist/sexist/homophobic/etc. Even when pointing out how racist/sexist/homophobic/etc. some of their statements can be. Also the bastardization of things like safe spaces that were designed to be places where people could go to get away from hatred and anger, but have become echo chambers for the same anger and hate.
    The house of lords is an excellent and necessary part of our political institution, despite being the even more of an unelected political group than the EU we voted to leave.
     
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  6. This is about the only point I think we differ on. As you point out, they were the junior partner in the coalition - and had less influence. Therefore you suggest there was very little they could have done to stop the tuition fee rises - but they enabled the Tories to gain power in the first place - they could have gone into a coalition with Labour instead. Whilst this analogy pokes fun at the situation, I feel really passionately that the Lib Dems let everyone down (including themselves) by joining forces with a political party which was so opposite to their supposed ideals.

    Perhaps they were a "moderating influence" to some degree, but the fact is they gave the Tories power, and during the coalition bore the brunt of the blame for everything. They just shouldn't have gone into that coalition at all.
     
  7. Falsey John, the Goldfish: Never Forgotten

    While I agree with your point about the Lib Dems being judged for entering a coalition with the Conservatives, I don't think they should be held accountable for what the Tories pushed through. As far as I'm concerned, Cameron was an utter Machiavellian bastard who deliberately screwed his junior party over in an effort to undo their growing base. I honestly think it was the case that the issue of tuition fees was deliberately pushed as hard as possible by the Tories to throw the Lib Dems into unelectability.

    To be honest, I would have voted the Coalition back in without hesitation if it was an option. Fundamentally I felt that it was a good mixture of the efficiency and pragmatism of the Tories, shackled with the the humanity that the Lib Dems brought to the table (and is probably the closest we'll ever come to seeing a true liberal government).

    But I don't really get why the Lib Dems went with the Tories, in hindsight. What were the reasons they gave behind that kingmaker?

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  8. Mole45 Dance Little Liar

    I agree that, in hindsight, joining the conservatives was an awful move for the lib dems. But at the time of that election, we'd had Labour governments for the previous 13 years. In those 13 years Labour had led us into the most unpopular war in history, and was seen by many to be failing to deal with the fallout from the 2008 financial crisis. Labour weren't very popular with many and that's probably why the lib dems threw themselves in with the tories. Not saying it was the right move, and Clegg has paid for it with his career.
     
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    Leaning:

    Centre-right

    Passionate Beliefs:

    - Pro brexit
    - Stop the SJW/political correctness movement
    - Regulate immigration more
    - Keep religion well out of politics, especially making exceptions to law for religious reasons
    - Regular independent audits of communication monopolies like Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc. and fines handed out for political influence or political censorship
    - Fines handed out for provably false political information in the media
    - Increased auditing of the BBC for non-bias, they have most definitely been stretching the rules in favour of leftist politics (e.g. it is not fair to have two oppositely biased articles where only one hits the 'most read' section)
    - Absolutely zero internet censorship or monitoring

    Party you're likely to vote for:

    UKIP

    National Parties you're least likely to vote for:

    Labour, Sinn Fein

    Track Record of Your Vote So Far:

    Forever UKIP

    The NLSpeed: Your Most Controversial Political Opinions/Stances:


    - Deport kebab
    - Make as much as possible of SJW activity illegal
    - There's a massive difference between genuine hate and a joke, make sense of humour exceptions to all relevant laws
    - Strict punishment as well as removal of anonymity for false rape accusers
    - Can't stump the trump
     
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  10. Falsey John, the Goldfish: Never Forgotten

    while i agree with a lot with what you say about censorship, SJWs and false rape accusers, savage's test says that i'm such a leftist libertarian that i can only see you now as the enemy i shall crush

    aaaaaaa useful or optimistic so much of your stuff is tempting but the rest is saataaaan
     
  11. Rioter Mad man box wearing lunatic for President

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    Leaning:
    More centre than left.

    Passionate Beliefs:
    • Stop messing around with the NHS! Doctors and staff are demoralised, while Mr. Smug Face still pretends to hold the NHS close to his wallet heart. Privatisation is slowly creeping in where it's not needed and is eating away at the NHS. Private companies and contractors do have a legitimate place, but at the moment it's a problem that's not going to be fixed.
    • Re-nationalise public services. You look at our train network as an example, it's a mess. Train companies are taking everyone for an expensive ride in overpacked carriages with poor customer service, and it's a complete rip off in comparison to most of the rest of the world! Look at the East Coast franchise, it made money and did really well in terms of reliability and customer satisfaction while it was in public ownership after National Express bailed on their contract because they were making a loss. Now look at the franchise, they're facing strike actions. Three franchises across the UK are facing strike action. Then you add upgrade projects which are getting more expensive and constantly delayed.
      Don't get me started on utilities, *cough* *cough* BT need to get their fucking head out their arse start investing in fibre and stop ignoring little blackspots in major cities *cough* *splutter*
      The government needs to also stop selling off publicly owned services that make them money! The attitude of making a quick buck to please the books is short sited and wrong, and even then they can't do that without underselling everything (Banks, Post Office...). Stop politicising our public services, we as the consumer ends up worse off and footing the bill.
    • Any legislation that removes or weakens our privacy rights must not go through. No "snooper charter" or anything that increases bland surveillance on everyone, it's not going to work and the government/spy services will end up with information overload. Doing this in the name of stopping the so called IS and terrorism in general is one big scapegoat.

    Party you're likely to vote for:
    Lib Dem (who haven't capitalised on the post-brexit turmoil, a foolish move) or Labour (if the party hasn't split into pieces by the next election).

    National Parties you're least likely to vote for:
    UKIP, Conservative, Green

    Track Record of Your Vote So Far:
    • 2010 General Election - Lib Dem. Because of the consituency I was in at the time (Cotswolds) and because of how broken our first past the post voting system is, my vote had little effect. The area is always a strong Conservative area, and they didn't disappoint. The MP there is alright. I would have much preferred being able to vote in the Stroud consituency, as I went to school there and had more involvement in that area. Their contest was much more interesting. Unfortunately, an MP called Neil Carmichael wormed his way in. I don't like him, is the most polite way of putting it.
    • Various local / EU elections betwen 2011 and 2014 - Labour. Annoyingly, even though at the time of the first mayoral election in Bristol I lived in the city, I didn't live in the city and couldn't vote. (Short story, years and years ago the county of Avon got split up, Bristol is in 3 different counties but you could only vote if you were in the City of Bristol council.
    • 2015 General Election - Labour
    • 2015 Mayoral Election - Labour (more voting for the person than the party though)
    • EU Referendum - Remain. See the EU referendum thread for my views on that one.

    The NLSpeed: Your Most Controversial Political Opinions/Stances:

    Nothing really controversial really. Closest I have to controversial is the EU referendum. 've had a few heated discussions with friends on the subject, and a number of them wanted to petition for a second referendum. No! You don't get a second chance at this. I'm not going to repeat what I've mentioned on the EU thread again, but in short, this is the result whether you like it or not, we have to stick with it. Otherwise, what's the point?! "I don't like the result, let's vote again". If we kept doing this, then what's the point.
    I don't like the outcome myself, maybe in a few years I'll follow through with leaving this sinking ship of a country and move to Canada/Netherlands/Germany/US/Scotland.
     
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  12. Subv You ain't even lord of your yard


    What is this so called "SJW activity" you want to ban? I really don't get it.
     
  13. Subv You ain't even lord of your yard

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    Leaning: As left as it can get.


    Passionate Beliefs: Refugees should be welcome in every state, they should be rehabilitated and integrated into the state that they are given. We are all human and it is our duty to help our species.
    Separate religion and the state.
    Tax big corporations and rich people more heavily.
    In a capitalist economy it's a must to heavily regulate big corporations.
    Consumerism is a plague that needs to be eradicated from our society.
    The less the government regulates our everyday life, the happier we will be.
    In criminal justice, rehabilitation should be more important than punishment.
    Universal healthcare should be one of humanities biggest goals.

    Party you're likely to vote for:
    Don't really know the british political parties.

    National Parties you're least likely to vote for:
    Don't really know the british political parties.

    Track Record of Your Vote So Far:
    Don't really know the british political parties.

    The NLSpeed: Your Most Controversial Political Opinions/Stances:

    Down with capitalism, up with the people.
    Down with governments and authorities, humans in a communa can vote and have rational decisions by themselves, without a government to do everything to them
    There is nothing wrong with being politically correct, being politically correct means not trying to offend people, and shockingly, that is not a bad thing. Furthermore, the SJW/PC community is mocked upon because of extremists, as with every community ever.
    Decriminalize all drug usage, we follow portugals policy on drug usage.
     
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  14. Mole45 Dance Little Liar

    Can they? Me and my friends took 30 minutes to decide where to eat the other night, and there were only 3 of us.
    Also, surely a rational decision is subjective? There are many people in the UK, such as dark, who think Brexit was a rational decision and that the left wing media have blown the downsides way out of proportion. But I think that it was an irrational decision and that the right wing media have blown the upsides out of proportion. There's no right answer, but we have an answer all the same and the public voted leave so we shall leave. Given that this vote has caused division like nothing I've ever seen before, I can't say I'm in favour of leaving every decision to general consensus.
    My sense of humour is very dark sometimes and could be considered offensive to some, an I no longer allowed to tell these jokes?
    My taste in music could be offensive to some, am I no longer allowed to play out in my car?
    People are getting offended way to easily at the moment so not offending people involved becoming part of some kind of homogeneous mass where everyone has the same like and dislikes. And that sounds shit.

    I agree with some of your ideas, but your more extreme views sound like excerpts from the big book of leftist ideas that was written by someone who put no thought into how they would work in practice.

    E: In the interest of balance. I agree with your points on universal healthcare, rehabilitation, decriminalisation of drugs, and in part agree with your point on refugees but think it is a very complex and difficult issue that isn't as simple as just letting them all in and hoping they'll integrate.
     
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  15. Falsey John, the Goldfish: Never Forgotten

    For some reason I forgot to add possibly my most NLSpeed, so I'll post it separately because I wouldn't mind a few thoughts on it, buts its related t what Subv's proposing

    True democracy doesn't work and referendums and "one vote on a single issue" are a recipe for disaster. Our last two general elections have shown that an entire 33% of our population are too apathetic to vote for who'll be leading them for the next five years. You can't put this down to recent apathy at the current political climate; we hit our lowest in 2001, with a missing 41% of our population.

    The more narrow focused, 'Yes or No' referendum saw only a rise of 6% of voters hitting the polls, sure, but how many of that 6% are people who had previously been so unengaged with politics they consciously choose to ignore General Elections? Of those people, I'm suppose to believe that, no matter which way they voted, their sudden interest in politics is enough to reassure me they made an informed vote?

    We have a real shitty education here in the UK when it comes to Politics. Sure, private schools will sneak it into the class room somehow and I guess you can take the subject itself, but it just isn't fucking forced on young people. The establishment literally fucking believes that History is a compulsory subject, but fucking Politics isn't. I don't know if its a deliberate thing but it certainly strikes me that way; young people are deliberately not taught about how Politics work. They then go on for the rest of their lives ignorant of it all, not knowing the fundamental differences between parties etc, unless they actively research it themselves.

    In short, we have a general public of which we can't ascertain whether or not the majority have a basic understanding of politics. We also can't ascertain how informed the majority of votes are; are they well considered votes where they've thought long about what they want and which party represents those ideals, or "singular objective" votes like my mum (voting Leave simply because she "wants to get rid of the immigrants") and my nan, whose so old that despite being working class has always voted Tory because "that's how your grandad voted, that's how your greatgrandad voted, its how i'll always vote". She doesn't actively agree with a single one of their policies or understand them, she literally just fucking votes Tory because they're the Tories and her family has always voted Tory.

    I'll define an informed vote as this: The person actively keeps up with what's going on in Politics (not just the scandals), has a relatively in depth understanding of things such as the EU and how the economy work and doesn't vote for their chosen Party simply out of 'loyalty'. I'm not even sure if I quite fall into that definition, as there's still plenty of gaps in my knowledge that I knowingly need to fill.

    Of the 70-67% of the population that votes, how many of them would you likely speculate to have what you'd consider an informed vote? I'd say 45%, at the very most.

    Now, every-time I got drunk with my granddad during my gap year he'd eventually bring up his idea of a system of government where, from the comforts of our homes, we use the internet to individually vote on every policy and as a society replace the house of commons. True democracy. It's got a few holes but I thought it was a nice idea for awhile. After the referendum, I asked him if he still felt that way. Despite voting Leave, he told me how the overwhelming sense he got that the majority of votes were likely my definition of uninformed had convinced him to drop that idea aha.

    But I completely agree. Would you be happy for that system to be implemented? Everyone, from you me to Shiela from down the street who doesn't understand how the economy works but would like to cease trade with Turkey because we "don't want to fuel their jetboats for coming over here" can vote on every decision this country faces? Because that would be true democracy.

    No, because the final say should be with the experts, the politicians who dedicate their lives to understanding the inner workings of politics. Sure, they should be held 100% accountable to the electorate and should actually be somehow prosecuted imo if they actively avoid committing to a policy that they waved around to get votes, but the democracy works because the politicians act as a buffer for the tyranny of the masses. The masses get to vote for their preferred choices of decision makers, and their policies, but ultimately the minority who possess the most expertise when it comes to all thing's political should be the one's left to make decisions on an individual policy by policy manner.
     
  16. Falsey John, the Goldfish: Never Forgotten

    I fully support the equality of all people. I don't think its likely that all people are equal, certainly not on a biological and genetic level, but I believe what matters is that we allow all people the same degree of liberty and respect.

    I'm currently a student at your typical liberal community and I'm wise enough to not voice several of my opinions in a seminar room because I know I'd be shouted down and that people would not only dislike what I'm saying, but also want to rid me of my ability to say it. That means, essentially, that I'm not allowed access to my freedom of speech out of fear from the masses. And only extremists? How many millions of people currently sign petitions (i.e. tweet, retweets and general drumming up attention) to have people silenced, fired from their jobs etc simply because they do not fit the narrative of political correctness?

    My opinions, by the way, aren't particularly "excluding" or prejudiced, btw. The most extreme are;

    >There are only four valid sexualities to describe yourself by; Hetero, Homo, Bi and A
    >Transwomen cannot truly claim an integral role within feminism, because they have not experienced life as a woman. I will never suggest that they are not women, but before transitioning they were treated as males by society and, after transitioning, unfortunately treated as trans, not female. They have not experienced being catcalled at a 13 or being in appropriately touched by a senior manager at work. They did not have to limit their number of sexual partners to avoid being called a slut etc.
    >Most people nowadays who describe themselves as anything other than man, woman or trans are literally just existentialist identity freaks who are subconsciously trying to create for themselves the most complicated and unique personal profile possible.

    Liberalism is, essentially, defined by the belief that all people are entitled to certain universal freedoms. But the liberalism of those seeking a more political correct society goes against that, because their main tactic is to essentially make people fear the result of speaking certain opinions openly.

    Additionally, the problem with SJWs right now is that, through the internet and the idea of "repeating something so many times makes it true", they are actively changing the English language. In a few years ideas such as being 'gender fluid' and Sapiosexual may actually be forced on me as actual concepts that I must accept exist.

    Oh and, best of all, as has always been the case, the whole SJW Crusade does nothing to actually help the most 'unprivileged' in society. Mainstream feminism predominantly benefits middle class, uni attending white females and leaves black females and females on the the wrong end of the working class in the dust. Crazy over emphasise on transgendered people takes it away from other, more marginalised people. Yes, we should figure out the high suicide rate amongst trans people, but not before we figure out the high suicide rate of the bigger population of men. Yes we should try and make the lives of everyone better, but why should we focus on trans people when there are far more homeless people in the UK, who most day or another, be it through drugs, exposure to the conditions, a lack of security and affirmed safety from people etc risk death?

    The "SJW" crusade not only imposes on freedom of speech, but leaves the actual marginalised members of society in the dust to focus on the more academically approved 'unprivileged'.
     
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  17. yes fuck that cancer

    SJWs don't even have a fixed goal, they just push an increasingly extreme agenda to fuel their desire for attention and to wallow in self pity. As soon as society accepts their latest extremism, they move on to something new. And to get there they use the most ridiculously underhanded tactics - fallacy after fallacy, moral high ground, you name it

    That is the fundamental problem with modern liberalism - the desire to be constantly more left. They're never happy
     
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  18. Falsey John, the Goldfish: Never Forgotten

    I don't think this is too much of an exaggeration. Modern liberalism is far more a cultural thing than it is political. Why is it that the only people I know who express the most extreme liberal sentiments, ones that make someone like me cringe, are also the people who fill their walls with shared posts from Gawker and Feminist Frequency? Who constantly make statuses about their veganism? Who are the only people I know who passionately defend the Student Union?

    You obviously get our hardcore, loyal feminists in that mix but for the most part its young people getting swept away by the coolest new form of counter-culture, one that rewards them not just with a feeling of being in harmony with the rest of their age but also rewards them with a magnificant sense of righteous with every retweet. And, unfortunately, there experience of growing up with social media (and subsqequent obsession with it) means they're the most adapt at raging what I think isn't so far removed from social media terrorism. Say an ironic, unPC joke to a coworker and your personal details and "prejudice" is being made an example of by millions on Twitter. There goes the job you spent the last 30 years working in. There goes your house and your professional reputation.

    And the SJW get to go sleep thinking that their lynch mobs are somehow making the world a better place, and not just dispersing unproportional retribution onto a few poor individuals.

    There are no extremists anymore, Subv. Because, in the hysteria of Twitter, in which you forget that the Tweets you're sharing are about actual human beings, there's no empathy or ability to detect the own result of your actions. You're part of the lynch mob, whether you know it or not. And, all the while, you have fucking godawful sites like Gawker and Feminist Frequency and, even more worrying, the bloody Guardian itself sounding the drums and getting everyone angrier all in a quest for more page views.

    It's sick. An unholy copulation of our all encompassing yet inhumane social media and the self-righteous exhibitionism of young "liberals".
     
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  19. Queenie Don't tell me what to do!!!

    I only did the test cus mostly Brit politics are being discussed. Im surprised the dot is not more to the right tbh.

    Feminism for the most part these days is a load of bull crap and te most sjw should be bitch slapped. And shave their arm pits just to piss them off more.
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  20. Mister Spuds I don't understand what's going on here...

    I'm not very good at having political discussions or knowing where I stand on a lot of things, but this neo-liberal PC culture we have somehow gotten ourselves into, is something that I firmly know I hate.

    It's genuinely scary hearing what is happening in some universities, people freaking out, attempting to silence one another and in the worst case scenarios violence breaks out all because someone said something they didn't like or agree with. If this social dampening perpetuates even further, we will be socialising young minds in society that disagreeing with someone isn't a normal aspect of every day life and constant fear will rule every thought process and 'discussion'.

    I can't help but feel that sites like Tumblr, or perhaps the Internet in general, have had a major hand in cultivating this culture. In a world where the Internet with all its new social media is so well developed and inter-grated into our lives, we can't help but experience so much information on a day-to-day basis; especially with young people being brought up in this world.

    The idea of personal identity is under 'threat' at such a young age because people are aware, through the Internet, of how other people live their lives and how 'unique' other people are, that it brings on a exestential crisis within the individual struggling to find something unique about themselves.

    Little side note here: I much prefer having verbal discussions so I'm not gunna write huge paragraphs as I always feel I'm forgetting something when I type out my thoughts, in comparison to talking.

    Another thing I find crazy is how there is now all this hate for 'white cis males' or 'cis' in general. These 'Tumblrites' are now turning on individuals who are comfortable with their Hetrosexuality and identity because are just that, heterosexual and/or a man. Even turning those individuals who supported LGBT movement back in the day where gay men and women didn't have the right marry, what I find baffling is that people will hate someone for being who they are, when that was one of the main supports for homosexuality, "I was born this way" and "I didn't chose to be gay" - in the same vein, I didn't chose to be a white, heterosexual man born in the Western world, so why are these people I once supported suddenly turning around and giving me hate for being who I am?

    I defiantly could have worded everything better but I hope you get the jist of what I'm trying to say.
     
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